Add SoTa PoP to the registry, there's few players out there as dedicated to the heavy role as SoTa. I've probably spent more time theory crafting the heavy stats and uses then I've given my girlfriend thought. lol, well, she's an x now. Go figure, lol. :)

Amarr, mostly. I don't use meta beyond STD in pubs, so I've been seen in all 4 races suits trying out different things, and on alts I've proto out and have done everything possible a heavy can do between 50 different alts.

I'm a tad out of date, though, as i've been gone for several months. Seems HMG took a range nerf, AHMG is now AV and better vs Infantry *with strafe nerf it's about to get another boost*. But for the most part everything else is the same which means...

Minmatar is still a public only pub stomp suit, it's strafe makes it ideal for casual players looking to pad stats and grind as quickly as possible, as i don't believe any other combination of any other suit or weapon beats the Min/HMG out-put in a pub game for cost vs effectiveness. But it's limited actual use in competitive play makes it more vulnerable then the Amarr or Caldari who are capable of keeping sustained fire on themselves and then rep themselves. It is, however, the best heavy for players who want to pretend they're a glorified scout on there objective - you'll be more useful then any assault suit, but if your enemy knows what they're doing you'll be grinding your teeth as your speed amounts to nothing thanks to your hit box.

Caldari would still be the hardest hitting of the heavies, with the best AV. Shields are pretty weak atm with ScR use everywhere, so this suit probably is better left for situational AV roles. The increase DPS with high slots is very unhelpful tbh.

Gallente - has no role, has no use, has no purpose. It's better then the Caldari or Minmatar for point defense and survability, but is so completely out-classed in every way by the Amarr that its pointless to pick this suit.

Amarr - the do all suit. Best health, best reps, best speed, and if you know how to AV you'll realize a very fast moving forge gun is dangerous as hell to ADS and Tankers.

Just the splash?

You got a link for a chart with the current HMG numbers for all three variants?

The Sentinel Registry
(Proclaim yourself and join the roll.)
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Adan Montano Pietsch (Amarr Sent)
Breakin Stuff (Min, Amarr, Cal, Gal Sent)
castba (Amarr, Cal Sent)
chill penguin (Amarr Sent)
Clone Zi6i3 (Gal Sent)
Cross Atu (Min, Amarr, Gal Sent)
dantrhax martin / Kahn Troll Freak (Min, Amarr, Cal Sent)
devjo88 (Gal Sent)
Fox Gaden / Crash Gaden (Min, Amarr, Cal, Gal Sent)
Georgia Xavier (Amarr Sent)
Imp Valk / Imp Smash (Min, Cal Sent)
Inmortal Slayer / Fristname Family name (Min, Gal Sent)
Jack the Rlpper (Min, Gal Sent)
jerrmy12 kahoalii (Cal Sent)
Jonny D Buelle (Gal Sent)
Megaman Trigger (Cal, Gal Sent)
MINA Longstrike (Cal Sent)
MythTanker (Min, Cal, Gal Sent)
Powerh8er
Ralden Caster (Gal Sent)
sir RAVEN WING (Cal, Gal Sent)
Spademan (Min Sent)
SoTa PoP / Shadowed Cola (Amarr Sent)
Taeyeon Seyun (Amarr Sent)
Vash Warren (Amarr Sent)
WeapondigitX V7 (Amarr Sent)
xavier zor (Cal Sent)

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Racial Variant Numbers:

9 Minmatar Sentinel
12 Amarr Sentinels
11 Caldari Sentinels
12 Gallente Sentinels

Get fielded by a real corp and come play with the big boys <3

One for both would be fair.

I was trying, sorta, to be nice. But i guess i'll say this straight:

There is a reason i keep bringing up getting in the good games. Get off your high horse, i've seen you play at your 'best' in the very few PC's you get into, you're not that good. You're barely good enough to consider for a PC match when it's PRO vs O.P. (Shout out to O.P. they're a great corp)

I don't really care what people think of me - I was validated as a player around here a long time ago, But you're still crawling for acceptance because you're hardly worth accepting.

Now get good, scrub. Anyone on that list would pummel you into the noob you are.

Yes, yes, you and your little side of the world think you're amazing, we get it.

and lolpubs, that desperate to feel good?

Can someone care to explain to me how the Gal heavy suddenly became the best heavy?

Nothing supports this. It's only advantage is keeping a good EHP with a bit more extra fire-power with good resistance types.

Which may make it better vs scouts and low EHP suits in CQC - but over-all it still leaves the Amarr superior in heavy vs heavy or generally vs anyone.

and the suit itself is far more flexible, enabling you to deal with more situations and suit types. The gal is a jack of all trade but master of none, imo. And that sort of suit rarely does well outside of scrub games.

I'm actually just going to say it straight in a rank:

Amarr

Caldari

Minmatar

Galente



^ Ranking system for suits for general competitive play. Pub stomp it would be:

Minmatar

Caldari

Amarr

Gallente

And that's arguable since a 4 complex stack amarr suit is annoying to kill.

But doesn't it combine high HP with above-average regen?

and Gal, just bad :3

The Gal suit being unable to specialize in effectiveness grants an edge to any heavy it fights, making it generally an anti-everything else suit for decent HP and fire power.

And I don't want to say that's just an opinion, there's just too much to support it. Gal suit has nothing going for it. There's a better suit in the Amarr or Caldari to beat the Gal each time in a 1v1 if the scenario is fair for both sides. Heavy DMG Modifiers were barely useful at 10% - now they're not even 5. So either stack 3 and go all in or don't go for it.

The Gal suit being unable to specialize in effectiveness grants an edge to any heavy it fights, making it generally an anti-everything else suit for decent HP and fire power.

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I don't understand why you prefer Gal based on why you say you enjoy the suit -

I see it as helping you out of a bad suit and into a good one, or at the very least not letting your opinion sway people looking to find out the heavy meta.

you didn't even try to defend the suit it's so bad :D

I have to disagree. It may not specialise like the other suits, but that doesn't automatically put it at a disadvantage. if anything, not specialising and being a general purpose suit actually allows it to adapt to the changing flow of battle without needing to go back to a supply depot.

Just my opinion, but I'd rather have a jack-of-all-trades suit than a can't-do-anything-without-a-logi-on-me suit, because that's how the AmSent comes across to me; the go-to suit for Logi spam.

If you're using plates you're doing it wrong.

either plates but regular is fine, mixed with kats and reps.

Take advantage of he Amarr base attributes and you'll enjoy a good stomping;

EDIT: You can use anything below proto, i suppose. I use STD from time to time on extra slots.

Did he say he had a logi?

Then he's doing it wrong :3

versatility is the key with pub Amarr heavy, and you'll be able to hold points by surviving and DPSing down enemies going near it by staying a hinderance. You can't expect your team to be reliable.

When he goes to PC and he has an organized team then he can switch to more plates since he'll have reps, and maybe even rep hives. But even then, dodging fire is often times more useful then taking it.

Or speed, it works well. You don't need to rely on a logi in a speed suit that can get to a depot to switch to a rep suit.

I can understand your enjoyment of the shield regen - but it's easily countered, you'll have mods for either faster reps or faster rep delay. where as Armor regen there's no counter but a OHK :D

I prefer to take a SMG or BP, for shields I lead with a Flux.

Meh. Sentinel doesn't have enough reps to outrep things. You can't even factor in cover because you're slow.

Your level of stupid needs to stop someday.

This is the heavy discussion thread, right?

CCP Rat posts in here, right?

So why wouldn't i assume this is a great place to have this discussion so CCP Rat can see and other heavies can give input without the GD peasants clogging it up with more pointless pub experiences?

The Amarr's EHP is actually the highest atm. Amarr Sent users have no room to complain if they made this switch back on those basis, they'd still have the highest EHP values, they'd just lose there ability to overspecialize. And i find that a good thing for the meta of the game - heavies really take away from the fun of this game when spammed because it can be mobile or overly self-sufficient with the best DPS and health in the game

But the Amarr suit has plenty going for it - and having the highest stamina + highest armor + 4 lows was always, always a bad idea. Sometimes i wish i could have 1v1's with Rat to figure out what direction he was heading with some of these changes.

It made more sense with Gal - it still wouldn't be a viable armor stacker with low stamina, and it could finally achieve reps that, with 640 base armor, wouldn't feel too OP or un-counterable.

CCP could even take a bit of a risk, replace the Armor for Shiled on the Gal instead, make it's total armor HP 450, and give it a base natural 10 reps. With it's hitbox, speed, and low health paired with high rep and 3 lows you could have a very interesting yet not OP suit.

The idea with shield on Gal is the extra survivability you'll lose with Armor. Shields in a heavy fight act like a 25% resistance buff, where as the best armor can get is 15% resistance, stacked with a 25% weakness against Projectile weapons.

so the switch would enable Gal to still survive a gun fight like a heavy should - but not pack enough Armor for the high Reps to be overwhelming.

And if you do try to specialize you'll have a suit that can barely move or a suit with not enough HP to survive a sustained fight. And that's good - specializing with a suit with our HP HAS to be a give and take situation.

Right now, the Amarr is take and take more. Speed, Reps, Health, it can have it all at once. But with 3 lows, it couldn't, and would make the Gal more viable in a hot-spot.

So either lower base Armor, increase shield, and give it a high natural rep. Or switch slots.

Those seem to be the only viable solutions to me to fix the suit without ruining the Heavy balance.

If you want to help the Gal Sent, then why not go post something in the ideas forum?

Your level of stupid needs to stop someday.

This is the heavy discussion thread, right?

CCP Rat posts in here, right?

So why wouldn't i assume this is a great place to have this discussion so CCP Rat can see and other heavies can give input without the GD/iD peasants clogging it up with more pointless pub experiences?

Fox's idea with rep buff isn't thought out enough.

If Gals get a rep bonus then they'll need to lose a little of something else - there is a 'somewhat' balance CCP tried to hit between the suits, and you have to consider how OP reps can be in the right hands. the EHP value of the suit would need readjusting and considering.

And, honestly, all the suits need a rep buff and armor nerf, over-all. Bring each suit down by 70-90 health, add 1-2 reps, then give Gal and extra 2-3 more and replace some of it's shield for more armor to level out it's EHP values.

This would level the playing field between it and the Amarr, which would in turn make it more viable over-all in the few roles it can properly set itself for.

It doesn't have the stamina to put the lows to real use - so it's only real purpose would be holding a point. Gal should be the most self-sufficient of the heavy suits - but it's the opposite, and any solution that we can think of should consider that as there 'speciality' role to achieve for heavies.

In all honesty the best solution is switch back the Amarr and Gal slots - it would pretty much even the playing field between Gal, Amarr, and Cal.

Because of how it's base stats are set up any heavy beats it 1v1 with no mods on. Now fully set up all slots - and make the Gal put on a green bottle. You had to sacrifice that slot to get that movement - while the Amarr, Caldari, and Minmtar, didn't. They can put on more reps or armor, no sacrifice needed for them.

Breach? Mmm

You know, I usually use the AFG, myself. On average of 3 clips, it pulls out way more over-all DPS then the other forges. Problem is aiming and practicality.

When I tried the other forges I did so with the Amarr and Caldari. Caldari obviously steam rolling anything that dared be too big near it.

But the thing I noticed is when it comes to forging - what matters more then which weapon you pick is positioning. Caldari, might hit hard, but it'll have a hard time getting to point A to B safely so that it can take out a tank trying to duck and cover behind nodes and doodads.

Gallant can't possibly do it.

Minmtar has success at it - but is underwhelming.

The Amarr is just ridiculously good at this, having several different forge suit options that all increase survivability more then health would and the stamina to sprint all day.


Forges can't kill tanks reasonably 1v1 without them running away - wish we had sticky nades :(

AScR and breach AR will do it. AScR is faster.

PLC.

Roden Sniper can one-shot your ass with a headshot.

REs will still instagib any sentinel.

Assault SMG and Breach SMG if you get the drop on the fatty and can strafe with any speed.

Shotguns and NKs from behind.

Scrambler Pistol headshots (fatties have a larger hitbox for the head)

there's several ways to counter heavies. the problem is most heavies are either on a logi leash, or they have buddies running flanker.